“Far from feeling lonely or abandoned, I feel very much a part of what is taking place on the lunar surface. I know that I would be a liar or a fool if I said that I have the best of the three Apollo 11 seats, but I can say with truth and equanimity that I am perfectly satisfied with the one I have. This venture has been structured for three men, and I consider my third to be as necessary as either of the other two. I don’t mean to deny a feeling of solitude. It is there, reinforced by the fact that radio contact with the Earth abruptly cuts off at the instant I disappear behind the moon, I am alone now, truly alone, and absolutely isolated from any known life. I am it. If a count were taken, the score would be three billion plus two over on the other side of the moon, and one plus God knows what on this side.”—
In a purely platonic way, I do not know you but I love you. As in the Alexandrian, we know of the binary nature of things. Science brings us advancement and reaches into the unknown to bring us better aquainted to learning our place in the world, It has brought us equality among sexes, races, etc. Theology has brought us the construct of civilization and been a check and balance of science to ensure it stays pure and helpful in its persuits. Anysensible person understands for + charge there is -
Oh, thanks, love is way too much… with your sympathy for me I’ll settle for now ;)
I’d add one more thing to close this debate for today, religious dimension of human beings is not an opinion, is a fact, people needs something more than “Science” and “rational thinking” to advance on this life, the fact that there are many people that does not need this kind of stuff, myself between them, does not imply that many other people (the most of the humanity) need religion in their normal life… Who are you (or us) to change this reality…?
I just went to check the rest of your blog. Color me surprised the first picture I see is a 100' tall statue of a fucking mythical creature.
Oh yeah (today we repeat asshole), “a fucking mythical creature" who has inspired people like Copernico, Tycho Brahe, Galileo, Bacon, Kepler, Descartes, Pascal, Newton, Leibniz, Euler, Bernoulli, Lavoisier, Ampere, Cauchy, Faraday, Maxwell, Mendel, Riemann, Joule, Pasteur, Stokes, Kelvin, Becquerel, Cantor, Rutherford, Marconi, Eddington, Millikan, Planck, Compton, Lemaître, Heisenberg, Gödel, Jordan, John Barrow, Richard Gott, Maldacena, Freeman Dyson… and many others. And this in Science, if we talk about art or culture the list is endless…
So … a little respect for the beliefs of the people, I am also an atheist (agnostic for being specific), but the last thing I would do is denigrate the beliefs of others. You must educate yourself, being atheist don’t make you more clever.
A person who wish to remain anonymous make a good (and additional) argument:
Just a thought…
That “100 foot statue” (actually 125 feet, counting the base) was one of the more interesting engineering feats of the early 20th century. The catenary system alone has to deal with over 40 lightning strikes annually. If engineering, construction, and the necessary annual maintenance involved aren’t “science” enough, then what is?
i may be a bit extremist, but i don’t think we have an obligation to respect other people’s beliefs, especially when they’re wrong and dangerous like christianity. Having said that, what’s the problem with a photoset of a statue of Jesus?
Yeah, I agree, you have *no obligation* to respect other people’s beliefs… is rather a matter of education and human rights. By the way, I do not see Christianity as such a bad thing, some Christian sects are harmful, the same goes for Islam, and also politics with garbages like communism and nazism. To despise christians because a minority are harmful is similar to insult entire political right wing (or left wing) because of fascism or communism. Diversity and tolerance please, bad thing if we all thought the same thing, a sign that civilization has been stopped.
Tausodan makes some important remarks, and I have to say I am partially agree with him/her and I think worth take a look.
I disagree that God is irrelevant in the career of the people cited above, many of them were priests and theologians so God was an essential part of their life, even though was independent of its activities as scientists.
And this is related with other of your claims (shared also with user `our-particles-are-in-motion´) about that the link I provided `does not support my conclusion´. It’s partially true, but it does support that:
“While religious and nonreligious thinking differentially engage broad regions of the frontal, parietal, and medial temporal lobes, the difference between belief and disbelief appears to be content-independent. Our study compares religious thinking with ordinary cognition and, as such, constitutes a step toward developing a neuropsychology of religion. However, these findings may also further our understanding of how the brain accepts statements of all kinds to be valid descriptions of the world.”
which I interpret as the religious feelings do not interfere with perception of reality, and people who think “Angels really exist” are perfectly able to rightly solve propositions such as “Eagles really exist” (to cite one example documented in the paper).
And no one should think this is strange, because many of the fathers of rational thinking were people extraordinarily religious (they believed that angels exist… so what?) without any prejudice to revolutionize the world using the reason (and only the reason). The linked list above is the example in the Christian religion, but there are similar lists for Jews and Muslims (for not out of monotheism).
In any case, we agree in the esential, the respect for other people’s beliefs. And that is the important on this.
Please read the reblog I just did from you on ProgressiveFriends. It's ridiculous that you inject bias and post information that you've done absolutely no research on under the guise of science. Science is not a brand or a scene... It's science. Stop doing what you're doing until you're committed or educated enough to do so.
Dear j0phus, I don’t know what the heck are you speaking about, can you send a link? (provided it does not cause brain damage)…
… oh, I see, you are speaking of this idiocy: “Why admire Japan? This shit has been going on in the US. At least in the red state I live in anyway. Link. If you’re going to blog about science, please don’t implant your personal bias and research the topic you’re posting so that you get it right. I literally buy these products at the grocery store down the street.”
1) I admire Japan because is a country able to recovery from the worst tragedies, and that is what this post is going, the resilience, the ability to rise from the ashes left by one of the worst tsunamis in history. 2) I did not say it was the first time that this is done, in fact if you look at the link comes from the supplier which is neither more nor less than General Electrics. 3) I blog on Science because I love Science, and show my admiration for a country it’s not a bias (I also admire USA by the way), it’s just opinion and I’m entitled to have one (many of them actually).
So my dear idiot, I see no reason to “Stop doing what I’m doing”… your “arguments” are pure nonsense.
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Thank you very much Mottedebeurrre, is very nice to hear that people use this blog for more than just hang out and see some pretty pictures. As for the English, please keep caution when texts are mine, I’m Spanish and also make substantial mistakes more often than I’d like. Cheers!
Hi, I am exploring your blog from last month and reached half pages. First want to Thank You!!!! for your effort and work and also for your capability of bringing lot of different things in one blog. So here is my question : What is your opinion on term 'Soul' Or 'Ghost'?
In my opinion the soul is something that is outside the scientific method, it has no epistemic content, at least anything that goes beyond the concept of soul as self-consciousness (that always could be explained in evolutionary terms.), it should not be considered as formal science. But that does not mean it does not exist, or at least that a good portion of humanity has a need of such concept (supplemented with other particular religious views) to move through life in a meaningful (and happy) way.
Ghosts…? No, absolutely not, I need to see one, or to meet someone, psychologically healthy (this is critical), who have seen one, none of those things have happened yet.
This is what I do for a living in a limited domain and context (mapping and navigation, robopsychology). More people need to know how and why to do it, it’s interesting, and it’s beautiful on several levels.
“There is little chance that aliens from two societies anywhere in the Galaxy will be culturally close enough to really ‘get along.’ This is something to ponder as you watch the famous cantina scene in Star Wars. … Does this make sense, given the overwhelmingly likely situation that galactic civilizations differ in their level of evolutionary development by thousands or millions of years? Would you share drinks with a trilobite, an ourang-outang, or a saber-toothed tiger? Or would you just arrange to have a few specimens stuffed and carted off to the local museum?”—
“Today the network of relationships linking the human race to itself and to the rest of the biosphere is so complex that all aspects affect all others to an extraordinary degree. Someone should be studying the whole system, however crudely that has to be done, because no gluing together of partial studies of a complex nonlinear system can give a good idea of the behavior of the whole.”—